Robert Gaylon Ross

Global GulagAuthor Says Constitution At RiskFrom Territorial Unions

An Iconoclast Interview WithTexas Author Robert Gaylon Ross

By W. Leon Smith and Nathan DiebenowICONOCLAST EDITORS

CRAWFORD — Several weeks ago The Lone Star Iconoclast published a paid advertisement submitted by Ross International Enterprises that contained a listing of books that RIE has available for purchase. Several readers took exception to the Iconoclast’s allowing that advertisement to be printed due to a couple of titles among the offerings, i.e. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and International Jew. One reader suggested that these are considered by the Jewish community as “hate books” and that the newspaper should contact the publishing company and have its owner, Robert Gaylon Ross, Sr. explain himself.Following that appeal, The Iconoclast conducted an interview with Ross, who is also the author of several books related to global unionization and other issues.Some of his latest titles include The Elite Don’t Dare Let Us Tell the People, Who’s Who of the Elite, and The American Union 2005.Says Ross, “My concern is that we are losing control of this fantastic nation, and the world as well, to a group that cares nothing about the present or future quality of life of the citizens of this country, or the rest of the world. The elite are guided by greed, and the insatiable need for influence and power.”Ross’ books contain numerous references to other published works that reflect this loss of control. Among the references are The Protocols.Because of his international career experiences and work with the Federal government, he says he is in a unique position to “back away from a problem and look at the big picture.” From this bird’s-eye perspective, Ross says that the creation of a Global Union is in the works, as is seen in recent and ongoing legislation and the creation of unions in other countries, which can be followed through strategies explained in the Protocols.Ross, who holds a BS degree in Industrial Engineering from Texas A&M University, accepted a commission as a Second Lieutenant (later promoted to First Lieutenant) in the Army Security Agency (ASA), a branch of the National Security Agency, upon graduation. He describes the ASA as the big brother to the Central Intelligence Agency.After leaving active duty, Ross assumed a career as an industrial engineer in the petroleum industry, serving in that capacity until he was promoted into management, where he served as a plant manager for over 10 years, with a total of 36 years in manufacturing. He spent the last 17 years of his manufacturing career as an international management consultant working in the United States, Japan, Mexico, Canada, England, and Iran.Ross’ military training was in the field of crypto-analysis (the breaking of codes). He was a company commander in the demilitarized zone in the Chowan Valley of South Korea from 1956 to 1957, after the fighting had ceased.In the interview, Ross said, “None of the books I have written are anti-semitic, and I guess the position I take is if Jeffery Dahmer and several other serial killers happen to be Jewish, should we not talk about their crimes? It just so happened that of the two people at the very top of the cabal to conquer the entire world, one of them is a Khazarian Jew and the other is a Gentile. The subject I write about is about evil people whose goal is to dominate the world politically and economically, and there’s nothing about it that is religious. One just happens to be a Jew and the other just happens to be a Gentile.”Ross says the Protocols were written somewhere around 1895-96. “They are sort of an outline of what the Learned Elders of Zion planned for the world. A number of people have said that it’s fiction or that it’s plagarism or it’s a false document, but probably somewhere between 60-80 percent of the Protocols are history. What they predicted would happen has happened.”He explained that since the citizens of the United States are well armed, a takeover of the U.S. is being done “economically.”Ross sat down with Iconoclast editors W. Leon Smith (WLS) and Nathan Diebenow (ND) to answer some hard questions.
Anti-Semitism
ICONOCLAST (ND): Why would Henry Ford write a book, The International Jew? He’s a capitalist fascist who helped Hitler destroy Jewish people? Hitler had a picture of Ford in his office. How do you explain that?
ROSS: In The International Jew, I didn’t see anything that was anti-semitic. It was a history of the Jewish movement, and he did put a copy of the International Jew in every new car he sold.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Yeah, he published these books, and they’re still being published today and used to discredit, harm, or destroy the Jewish people around the world, in Iran, and whatnot.ROSS: I don’t read that. I don’t read anything in the books that says, “We’re going to destroy the Jewish people.” Have you read The International Jew?
ICONOCLAST (ND): I’ve read portions of it online.
ROSS: I’ve read all four volumes.
ICONOCLAST (ND): ... and it says that the Jews are going to secularize the nation through education institutions, and the colleges are going to be run by Jews, and it kind of puts all the blame on the Jews. Who are the Jews and why would they put in a socialist state? I don’t understand. It seems contradictory. It seems like Ford’s only problem is that they’re Jews and that they’re socialist, and he’s a fascist capitalist. Ford wants to control the labor force and eradicate the Jews for whatever purpose.
ROSS: Well, Henry Ford is the one who invented fairness to workers because he gave his workers a good wage so they could buy his cars. He’s probably the first to treat his workers properly in history.
ICONOCLAST (ND): But he sold all this stuff to Hitler before World War II, and he was a self-described fascist. Hitler destroyed the whole nation of 6 million Jews.
ROSS: But you also have David Rockefeller and a number of Khazarian Jews who also supported Hitler. The parent company of Exxon provided fuel to all the Germans.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Is the question obtaining power; does it really have anything to do with Jewish people at all?
ROSS: It has nothing to do with religion.
ICONOCLAST (ND): So what’s your definition of anti-semitism?
ROSS: A semitic person is a person of about a half a dozen or so tribes in Israel, including both Jews and Arabs. So my definition of anti-semitism would be one that takes a negative approach to Jews or Arabs in Israel. Semitic covers both Arabs and Jews.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Going back to my previous question, does this really have anything to do with an ethnic group of people trying to take over the world or is it philosophy that certain people have in high power and have a lot of wealth who are trying to manipulate a system for their own benefit? I mean, is it a group of people, like an ethnic group or is it just an idea that some people have that spans across nations and borders in different ethnic groups?
ROSS: Like I say again, it has zero to do with religion because the two at the very top — one is a Gentile and the other is a Jew, and the Jew happens to be a Jew who is not a Jew, but a Khazarian Jew. I covered it in both The Elite Serial Killers of Lincoln, JFK, RFK, and MLK and The Elite Don’t Tell The People about Khazarian Judaism. Back in 740 A.D., the leader of the Khazarian tribe adopted Judaism, so they really are not the seeds of Abraham or the descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel. It’s got nothing to do with anything, but it explains it. The subject is the people at the very top who have this need to gain power and money, and I guess an example is that in 1998, the Rockefeller family was worth $11.48 trillion. The Rothschild family is worth somewhere between $100 and $700 trillion. They use this tremendous reserve of money to control the world. The Protocols clearly spell out they will use their wealth to gain control of the world. That’s why I brought the Protocols in because they explain what is going on.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Is it a systematic procedure or just a philosophy?
ROSS: It’s not a philosophy. The Protocols, as I interpret them, is a roadmap of the plan by that small group of people, the Learned Elders of Zion. That does not generally represent the general population of Khazarians or semitic Jews. It’s just the very top, and I feel that both Jews and Gentiles would not be very proud of the documentation at least in the Protocols because it is a horrendous, horrific plan to conquer the world. I don’t know what it is, but it goes way back. Atilla the Hun had a need to conquer. In fact, Genghis Khan had a need to conquer. He conquered most of the known eastern part of Europe at that time, including Khazaria. Hitler, Stalin, you can name probably a dozen people in history that had an insatiable need to conquer the entire world. And those of us who don’t have this need cannot explain it because it’s not a part of our makeup to conquer, but it has zero to do with religion.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Why do you think some people would object to reading those documents?
ROSS: I suspect that most people that would make an accusation of anti-semitism have never read the documents. They certainly have not read my books.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What I’m talking about is even the publication of those two documents themselves. Why would they not want those books before the general public?
ROSS: Because it tells of evil coming. If you decide you want to conquer all of Clifton, you wouldn’t want to let the word get out you had this plan. If you wrote up a plan on a piece of paper ..., you wouldn’t want that plan to fall in the hands of the public because they’d probably think it’s not a nice thing to do.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Do you think that they think this plan is bogus and shines a bad light on the Jewish people?
ROSS: I wouldn’t think any Jew whether they were Khazarian or semitic or Ashkenazi would want to label it anti-semitic because it sheds terrible light on a small group of people and they have a tie to them. Actually, the Protocols is just a blueprint. Just not a religious blueprint. It’s a coincidence that I ran across the Protocols, and when I read them, they so much paralleled what I saw going on that I could see that they were a vital part of explaining why we’re going in the direction we’re going. This has nothing to do with religion.American Union
ICONOCLAST (WLS): In your book entitled The American Union 2005, printed is an interview of you by broadcaster Maria Heller, in which you admonish the Bushes for changing the term “New World Order” to a series of terms utilizing the world global which, as you put it, is the goal of there being a one-world government controlled by bankers. You set the date of this occurring during the next couple of years. What evidence do you have at this point?
ROSS: If you carefully read, there’s a chapter in Dare We Not Tell the People with a timeline of this plan dating back to early 1940s or so. In fact, I have access to copies of the minutes of the first Bilderberg meeting in the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Netherlands. David Rockefeller was one of the attendees. In this first Bilderberg meeting, they talked about the creation of the European Union back in 1954. That was a very long-range plan. The name of this conglomeration changed over a period of time. It was European Economic Community, and finally it was settled on the European Union. Almost no one is aware of the fact that in the year 2000, they created the African Union, which is a copy of the European Union. Fifty-three nations of Africa joined together to create the African Union with one monetary system, one central bank, one governing body, the African Parliament, all a carbon copy of the European Union.Part of this overall plan is to do the same thing in the Americas. They plan to take all nations in North, Central, and South America and create what they then will call the American Union. That could happen sometime this year or next year. David Rockefeller created a Council of Americas back in, I believe, 1965. It’s made up of representatives of all nations of North, Central, and South America, Caribbean islands, except for Cuba. I have created a VHS tape called The American Union By 2005, which is what Maria Heller’s interview was based on. One half of the video is me talking about their plans going back in 1954 to create the European Union and then the African Union. The last half of the video is actual footage that I got from C-SPAN of David Rockefeller and Dick Chaney, three secretaries of state, two presidential councillors. In these clips, they talk about the creation of the New World Order. In fact, Dick Chaney in his speech at the Council of Americas meeting May 6, 2004, said that we are on track to create the free trade area of the Americas by Jan. 1, 2005. Now, within six to 18 months of that plan, they would change it from the free trade area of the Americas to the American Union.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): When President Bush met with President Fox of Mexico, and Prime Minister Martin of Canada at Baylor University recently to talk about free trade, do you think that was an attempt to move toward the American Union? What is your take on the Farmer’s Union decrying free trade in support of fair trade?
ROSS: The elite adopt generic terms that are designed, first of all, to create a smoke-screen or fog and they also create terms that will not gather attention. For example, in at least three of George H.W. Bush’s presidential speeches, he referred to the term New World Order. When he did this, the elite noticed that the audience immediately became alert, so they decided to change it to a generic term so that the public would accept it. They changed the term to globalization. When you hear the term “Globalization” or “Global Union” or “Global Trade” or “Global Architecture” or “Global Village,” all these terms exactly equal the previous term “New World Order.” The plan hadn’t changed. They just changed the sign out in front of the building.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Back when Adolf Hitler was in power, didn’t he refer to the Americas as the American Union?
ROSS: He could have. In fact, he was one of the others who wanted to dominate the entire world and create a new world order. I don’t know whether it’s contagious among a small group of people, but they have a need to dominate the world. I don’t understand it because I don’t even worry about my neighbor. I’m not going to try and take over my neighbor’s property. As long as my neighbor leaves me alone, I’ll leave him alone, and we’re just friends.Federal Reserve System
ICONOCLAST (WLS): The root of the problem as explained in your books is the Federal Reserve System.
ROSS: The Federal Reserve System is the central bank of the United States. It is not federal, and there is no reserve. It is a private corporation, owned by the member banks of the Federal Reserve System, but it’s controlled by these international bankers. There are 12 regions —
ICONOCLAST (WLS): — set up, I’m assuming, to spread out throughout the United States.
ROSS: No, if you go back in history, the Rothschilds tried to create a central bank in the United States a number of times. They were given two or three charters, and at the end of the life of the charter, they were not allowed to renew it. Another charter was created to give them the ability to create a central bank. Back in 1913, there was a group of very wealthy people, including international bankers, that went to a secret meeting on an island off the Carolinas. At this meeting, they designed the Federal Reserve System, how it was going to work. They had influence with the President and key people in Congress, and actually the Federal Reserve Act was passed during the Christmas holidays of 1913. Not all in Congress were there to vote, but there were a number who voted for it. The House had already passed it, but it was designed to bring up the vote during the Christmas holidays where people wouldn’t notice it. There wouldn’t be enough people to resist it, and so the Federal Reserve Act went in, and the President signed it. At the same time they did the Internal Revenue Act. The purpose of the Internal Revenue Act was to support the Federal Reserve System. In fact, if you look at the laws of the Internal Revenue Act, it says that money collected into the Internal Revenue System will be deposited in credit unions and banks or central banks of the Federal Reserve System. Really, these others were just have the option to do that or put it in the Federal Reserve System, so every penny that’s collected actually goes into the Federal Reserve System.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): When the local banks have their dreaded bank examiners come down, these guys are from the private central banks?
ROSS: Now, there are state banks and federal banks. State banks are not required to be a member of the Federal Reserve System.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): They can, but not required to?
ROSS: They can elect to do so that if they want to, but they cannot be examined by the Federal Reserve System.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): That gives them restraints on what percentage of their assets they can loan?
ROSS: That’s right. The Federal Reserve System determines all the policies of all federal banks. What interest they can charge —all the banking practices are dictated by the Federal Reserve System.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Have there been any attempts to change the Federal Reserve System back to being the U.S. Department of the Treasury?
ROSS: No, one of the major problems with our political system is that the elite allow money to control what goes on in politics. They also control the court system — the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has ruled that money is a form of speech. That’s a long stretch to say that money is speech, but that’s what they did. And they said that since money is speech, then we see no reason to interfere with the use of money to create things on behalf of certain groups.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): So how is this money backed? Say you have a $10 bill. How much is it worth?
ROSS: It has no value. It’s only worth what the person receiving it is willing to trade for it. It’s not backed by gold or silver or anything of value. This was done on purpose in Nixon’s time. He took the lid off the price of gold, and for many years, it was $35 an ounce during his term. By the way, I have the minutes of the Bilderberg meeting which they discuss the taking off the limit on the price (of gold). I’ll just have to paraphrase it: “we will be able to accomplish some of the things we want. We’ll be able to finance it through the fact that when we take the lid off the price of gold, we’ll allow it to go up, and we’ll take this profit and do what we want with it.”Within two years of this meeting, gold went from $35 an ounce to $800 an ounce. So you can imagine the attendees of the Bilderberg meeting when they left and went out and bought gold and borrowed money to buy gold, because they knew they were going to take the lid off of it, and that’s what they did. The Bilderbergs plan everything of significance in the entire world.
Secret Groups
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Maybe we need to talk about these three groups. Explain how they were organized and why, the types of membership, etc.
ROSS: Let’s start with the Council on Foreign Relations that was founded in 1921. It started off with a group in New York City. They later expanded to another satellite group in Washington. Today, there is a Council on Foreign Relations meeting in every major city in the United States. The core is in New York City. Their headquarters is across from the Soviet Embassy in New York City. The (Harold) Pratt House is their headquarters. Today there are a little over 4,000 members. They meet at least monthly; sometimes, they will hold a special meeting when dignitaries are in town.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): How do you become a member?
ROSS: You have to be invited in. You have to have approval by a certain number of people in order to issue an invitation for a person to become a member. Then they have to have the FBI check them out.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What if you become a member but then you want out? How do you get out of it?
ROSS: It’s sort of like the Mafia. You die out of the Council on Foreign Relations, like you die out of the Mafia. You don’t just decide one day to quit being one. The members of the Council on Foreign Relations are lifetime members. The Council on Foreign Relations is only U.S. citizens.
ICONOCLAST: How about the Bilderbergs?
ROSS: The Bilderbergs were founded in 1954, and it was made up of representatives of Canada, the United States, and Western Europe only. The attendees were typically around 300 people. It’s never held at the same place twice with one or two exceptions. This is for security reasons. The nation where they meet is required to provide security for the Bilderberg meeting. In addition to that the Bilderbergs have their own security people who are in control. In the past, if you got within a 100 feet or a 100 yards of the building where they were meeting, you’d be arrested. Today, they go beyond that. They say if someone tries to get closer than that, just shoot them. I have videos of the latest Bilderberg meeting. It shows that this five-star hotel where they met. Cars would drive inside this canopy extending out the entrance of the hotel. It just didn’t have a roof. It had walls and an end, too. So they’d draw the curtain back, and the car would drive in. The windows were all black, so you couldn’t see who was in it. They’d close the curtain in front. They’d go into the hotel, and they’d open the curtain and drive out. They didn’t successfully cover the cars in every case. I have a video showing, I believe it was Henry Kissinger, coming out one of the cars. When the Rothschilds get out of the car, the curtains are fully closed. When the queen of England or the queen of Spain or the queen of the Netherlands is out, you cannot see them. They’re called “attendees” rather than members.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What about the Trilateral Commission?
ROSS: The Trilateral Commission was founded in 1973, again, by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. There are 300-400 members. They meet once a year, again, in a secret meeting, but every year I write a letter to both the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations and ask for their list of members and they give them to me.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Are some of their members of the Trilateral Commission also members of Bilderberg and CFR?
ROSS: There are about three dozen in all three of the secret groups.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): You’d be talking probably 4,300-4,400 people in all that comprises these three groups?
ROSS: There’s about 4,000 in Council on Foreign Relations, about 300 in Trilateral, and about 300 Bilderbergs.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): About 4,600 people. And this is the group you are saying that want to rule the world.
ROSS: No, they are the tools used by the two at the very top, David Rockefeller and David de Rothschild.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): How old is Mr. Rothschild?
ROSS: He’s, I believe, 69.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): And Mr. Rockefeller is approximately the same age?
ROSS: He’s, I believe, in his 80s. Again, Rockefellers and Rothschild are worth trillions of dollars.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): How does that play into the dates you say in your books?
ROSS: They’ll be someone to take David’s place whenever he passes away.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Does anyone know who?
ROSS: No.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Anyone related to him?
ROSS: Not necessarily. The person who headed the Council on Foreign Relations who chaired the Chase Manhattan Bank before David Rockefeller was a fellow by the name of John J. McCloy. McCloy was an agent of Rothschild, as are the Rockefellers. They’re agents of Rothschild, even though they have trillions of dollars, they’re way down from the super wealthy, Rothschild.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): The endgame, if they’re gaining this power, and they’re gaining this money, the endgame would be what?
ROSS: Political and economic control of the entire world.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What would that mean to people like you and me?
ROSS: In the European Union, they have already created a new constitution. They haven’t passed it yet, but this new constitution will override the constitution of every nation in the European Union. They have already written the constitution for the American Union, which will override our constitution and Bill of Rights and constitutions of all the other nations in North, Central, and South America. It has no Bill of Rights we’re entitled to — Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, all those things. This new constitution, I guarantee you, does not contain those rights, even though I have not seen it.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Are you familiar with the constitutions of any of the other American nations?
ROSS: No, I’m not.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): So you can’t tell how they compare to ours?ROSS: No, but the new constitution, once we reach that point, will override all the constitutions of all member nations.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): How do you think they will go about changing? Won’t United States citizens be up in arms?
ROSS: I’ll use one example. Let’s use the relationship between Mexico and the United States. I believe it was the New York Times that wrote an article noting that there was something like at least three million illegal immigrants who entered the United States from Mexico last year. That’s probably the lower end of the actuality, but the European Union, when they finally agreed to that, eliminated the need of passports and VISAs when traveling from one country to another, so people can freely move from one nation to another in the European Union. When they create the American Union, that will allow the Mexicans, Bolivians, and whoever to freely come to the United States.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): And we can go there.
ROSS: And we can go there, but there’s a fellow who did a study a number of years ago about almost all the nations in Latin America and determined that I believe 80 percent of the wealth was in less than 10 percent of the people, so you have super wealthy and very few middle class and the super impoverished people.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): I read somewhere that part of the way the major banking entities control the public is through chaos.
ROSS: Actually, I cover it succinctly. The Rothschilds have been involved in every major conflict in Western Europe from 1865 on. They financed both sides. The bankers finance both sides of the war, then they finance the reconstruction of the nation destroyed in the war. They only profit from wars, so there’s a great incentive for them to encourage wars. They’ve done that since 1865.
ICONOCLAST (ND): When you talk about these elites, I understand that they are all pretty much on the same page.
ROSS: When a Rothschild walks into the room, people will shudder, they are so powerful. The same thing with David Rockefeller. They fear David Rockefeller. The ones right next to him don’t fear him as much, but they always all respect him because of his wealth.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Have you seen any people up there saying, “No, we don’t want to do this. Maybe we should do that?” For this reason, we have Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Are there any benevolent super elites that kind of help the less wealthy people of the world?
ROSS: They don’t do it openly, but there is some resistance going on. In the May 6, 2004, Dick Chaney said, “We will complete the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas by Jan. 1, 2005.” That’s a finite date. Now preceding that would be the completion of CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreement. That was signed by the President in late December 2004. He signed CAFTA, but this is a treaty, and the Senate has to ratify all treaties. The Senate has been sort of turning their back, saying, “We’ve got things to do. We haven’t gotten around to that.” They’re not openly resisting, but they’re not allowing CAFTA to come to a vote. They’re resisting the Free Trade Area of the Americas for the vote because they don’t want it, but they don’t openly say, “This is a terrible thing. It’s going to make us slaves. It’s going to dominate the world.” They dare not say that because the bankers finance their campaigns, and also they have probably photographs of members of Congress doing things they’re not proud of. J. Edgar Hoover was an expert. He created that technique. So they have economic control and also blackmail control over many of the people in Congress.
Treasury Department
ICONOCLAST (WLS): We had talked earlier about the Treasury Department, and you are quoted in one of your books as saying, “Fiscal Year ‘03 the U.S. government spent $318 billion of your money on interest payments to the owners of the national debt.” Do you know what that is now?
ROSS: No, it’s probably on the order of five percent interest or something like that of the total debt, but this is owed to both the Federal Reserve and foreign countries.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): You also have said that our national debt is now well over $7 trillion if they counted every debt obligation and accounted for them in the same manner as they require the public to account for them. The real federal debt is $40 trillion.
ROSS: That’s correct, but they don’t publish any figure like that. They will talk about $7 trillion, but they will never address the real $40 trillion.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Where does that come from?
ROSS: That comes from all loans the government has had, all their financial obligations. You have to look at the U.S. government as you would business. You have a balance sheet. Assets and liabilities. Total U.S. government liabilities are really at the order of $40 trillion, but you never get anyone in public office to state that amount.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): So how do we get rid of the massive federal debt?
ROSS: My brother came up with a solution to that. It’s in Section 4 of the 14th Amendment: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.”Take it to the court and say, “According to this provision, our federal debt is null and void.” Write it off.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): But what happens to the people who hold the loans on that?
ROSS: Let’s say that you commit a crime — you steal something and then sell it to somebody else. You committed a crime, and they have committed a crime by buying the stolen property. Even considering the fact that they might not have known it was stolen, and you trace it back, and it is stolen. It’s no longer theirs, and they’re out their money, and they’re out the goods.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): You wrote in one of your books that the Treasury Department approves the printing of money, not the Federal Reserve.
ROSS: No. Let’s say that the U.S. government needs to borrow $1 billion to pay for the troops in Haiti, and they wanted it in $100 bills. They call up and write a letter to the Federal Reserve and say we want $1 billion worth in $100 bills. The Federal Reserve will contact the printing office and say, “Print us $1 billion in $100 bills.” The printing office will then charge the Federal Reserve something like $35,000 printing costs for material and labor for the bills. The Federal Reserve will then loan this $1 billion of $100 bills to the U.S. government with interest. Five percent or whatever the interest would be at that time. But the total cost is only $35,000, and they created $1 billion of assets that they loaned out. The more outrageous example is, let’s say Chase Manhattan Bank wants to borrow $1 billion into their credit card account. They call the Federal Reserve and say, “Credit our account with $1 billion.” They do that and create a note, but it’s all done electronically, and there’s no cost, other than payroll of the people who are working at the bank. So they created $1 billion of new money at virtually no cost.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): It goes directly into their account?
ROSS: Yeah, it goes into their account.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): And they’re part of the central bank.
ROSS: They have to pay the going rate, which is right now what? 1½-2 percent interest on that, and they loan that to credit card holders at 10 percent.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): So this is how credit card companies get rich?
ROSS: In this book I cover the fractional reserve practice that is mandated by the Federal Reserve System. It means that any Federal Reserve Bank member bank whose assets or capital exceeds $42 million can loan out all new money coming in like in a savings account or CD, 90 percent of that, back out in a loan. So an example I use is that if I put $1,000 in XYZ Bank, it can immediately loan out $900 of that to the next person coming in. That person can then but they take the $900 and open another savings account and put $900 in it. Then the bank can loan out $810, so if you keep loaning it on and on. This initial transaction of $1,000 creates $9,000 in new money, created by the bank in this fractional reserve process dictated by the Federal Reserve.Now an even more shocking example is the compounding of interest on loans. The example I use in the book is if Mary had taken one U.S. penny and deposited it in a savings account the day of Jesus Christ’s birth, today without anyone touching that account, just compounded interest at six percent daily, that one penny today is worth $167 and 36 zeros before you get to the decimal point. That’s compound interest. So now you know why they are in the banking business. In the book I give the exact number that’s equal to.By the way, on that same subject, in 1850 the first person to be called Rothschild left his fortune to his five sons. He died in 1812, I believe. By 1815, the sons had grown that original inheritance to $6 billion. So if you take the compounding equation of $6 billion in 1815, it’s current value today at six percent is almost $50 trillion. At eight percent, it’s a little over $400 trillion, if they didn’t add to it at all, just compounded daily.
ConCon
ICONOCLAST (WLS): You have in your book a little paragraph about the Constitutional Convention called ConCon and how it works. You say that, regarding the balanced budget amendment, it would take only two more states to ratify a call for a convention to take place. Once the convention gets under way, we are subject to the whims of the delegates. You are quoted as saying, “You can rest assured that a majority of the delegates to any Constitutional Convention will be puppets of the elite. There is a greater than a 50 percent chance that if a Constitutional Convention be called, we will have an entirely new constitution.”
ROSS: Once the Constitutional Convention has legally formed, it goes into session. By our Constitution, that convention can do anything. They can throw out the Constitution. They can completely revise it or revise parts of it. That is a danger of having a Constitutional Convention. We should never allow that.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): How do you make any changes to the Constitution?
ROSS: The way you do that is both Houses of Congress do their part in creating an amendment, and then that amendment is sent to all the states, of which a percentage must ratify this amendment before it can actually become an amendment. We’re protected that way.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): It emanates from the Congress to the states.
ROSS: That’s right. Yes, and states are in control. If it’s a really damaging amendment, that gives the public time to go to their representatives to say don’t vote for this. That’s the only way to kill it.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What needs to happen to assure that government operates properly?
ROSS: We must get money out of the election process. If you believe the current people in office are going to do anything about it, you’re a little bit naive, and if you think that we’re protected by the Supreme Court, they’ve already said that money is free speech. We can’t gain control of our government without getting money out of it. We have to elect people who are inclined to do that, and my position is it can’t be a Democrat or a Republican because they are in charge now. I suggest that everytime there’s an election, whether it’s a city, county, state, or federal government, that there be an independent person running that is not tied to either the Democrats or Republicans, and that we support these people and elect them, and once they become the majority in both Houses of Congress and become President, then they can say, “We speak for the people, and we’re going to do things for the people, and no longer for the special interests.” Once the people are in control, literally the people will be in control then.The other thing I recommend is that they change the law of campaign financing so that no one is allowed to contribute money who is running for office unless they physically live in the district that person has represented for five years, and that no business be allowed to donate money. Only residents can donate money. But set a small limit on it. Others will say that it costs money to run for office. Why run for office for two years? Say you have three months to run for office. That cuts the cost way down. And then say that the Iconoclast must provide free space in the paper to give your position. That’s part of them being allowed to publish a paper, and every television station must give public service rights. Clearly define this. Now you’ve got money out of the deal. You cut costs down. Once the people are in control of the government under this new process, then the first thing we do is make it illegal for anyone who holds any public office, elected or hired, to be a member of any secret organization. By secret organization, I mean Klu Klux Klan, you name it, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs. They cannot be a member of any secret group for five years, and also there be no grandfathering of this, so anyone who is a member of these secret groups must immediately be removed from office.Then now we want to say that when we enter office, we put our hand on the Bible, and swear to defend the Constitution against anybody, foreign or domestic. Now we have an internal group who wants to overthrow our government. We need to bring them into court. Let’s bring this all out into the open, and let the people decide, is this what you want? That’s very simple, but it’s not easy to do. In fact, it would take quite some time. First of all, you have to educate the people to do this, or first of all, you have to convince them that there’s justification to do this for all these reasons.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Wouldn’t you almost have to be organized?
ROSS: Yeah, really, I’m looking for the next Martin Luther King to step up and say, “I’m fed up with this. People, this is what we’re going to do. Now on May 31, we’re all going to head to Washington, and we’re going to point our fingers to Congress and say, ‘Stop this! We’re tired of this. It’s not in our Constitution. We don’t want you to do this anymore. If you don’t stop it, you won’t be elected anymore.’” We need a leader. Someone to step up. I’m not suggesting its me. I don’t want to do that at all, but I’m not a Martin Luther King.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Someone with charisma. That type of person?
ROSS: That’s right. Someone with no self-interest. Someone with no agenda other than protecting the people of the United States against this internal and external force that wants to take over this world.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): But as far as the other Congressional offices go to put independents in, wouldn’t you need an organization to find independents who would latch on to your concept.
ROSS: It would be a major screening process to find someone who didn’t have a hidden agenda — charismatic people who are really interested in the future quality of life for their children and grandchildren. That’s the real goal of it. You and I have lived better than our parents. My parents lived better than their parents. Our children are not going to live better than I am. My grandchildren are going to have a reduced quality of life, if we don’t stop.
Privatization
ICONOCLAST (WLS): What are your views on privatization?
ROSS: The privatization of the Social Security system — you have to step back from all major issues, and I view myself as being 160 miles up in the atmosphere looking down at the Earth, and when something happens, I ask why did this happen? If you look at that particular subject, you’ll see that the international bankers want to gain more control of your money. So if they say that one of the answers to the Social Security problem is to privatize part of it or maybe all of it, then what do you mean by privatization? It means that you take the funds that would normally be contributed to the Social Security Fund, and you invest it in the stock market or whatever, and every now and then the sheep herders will sheer the sheep. There was a major sheering of the sheep in 1929. We’re very close to having another sheering time again, so if your money is in stocks, bonds, and commodities, the likelihood of it being there will be reduced considerably.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Are suggesting that there will be another depression?
ROSS: No sooner than three months but no later than 18-24 months, we will be in a major recession and possibly a depression.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Do you have any idea how long that would last?
ROSS: The last one lasted about a dozen years.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): The reason you think this would happen is?
ROSS: The Bolsheviks took over Russia by murdering 66 million middle class people. These middle class people were educated, and they had the ability to think and have judgement. They literally murdered them. Now, they can’t do that here in this nation because we’re too well armed. We’re protected by the Constitution, so they cannot do a violent takeover of this nation. They’re going to take it over through economic means. They’re taking as many jobs as they can and sending them offshore, like the manufacture of clothing and materials used in clothing is almost 100 percent done offshore. All the lower hourly paid jobs in the world and manufacturing of everything else. Almost no electronics are made here. They’re made in Korea, Japan, Singapore. They’re reducing the ability to earn a decent living by the people. The reason the Bolsheviks left the very poor people alone in Russia is because all they worried about was where the next food was coming from and clothes to stay warm and shelter to get in and out of the rain. They didn’t care about what the government did at all. In the United States, first off all, they’re dumbing down our kids, so eventually, they will not have the tools to argue with these people because they will not have the ability to do logic. They refuse to protect our borders. Last year, over three million illegal immigrants entered this nation from Mexico. So as you bring more people in looking for jobs, and send more jobs out, it’s a law of supply and demand. There will be more and more people hunting fewer and fewer jobs, and the payrate for those jobs is going down, and the likelihood of gaining seniority in your job is going to be diminished. People then will not care about what the government is doing. They’ll worry about how they are going to feed their kids. It’s a shell game. Get their eyes off the government and on their pocketbook: “How am I going to make this next house note? How am I going to make this next car note? How am I going to send my kids to school? I don’t care what the government does. I don’t have time.” That’s part of the overall plan.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Why is that part of the plan?
ROSS: Because the end goal is to dominate the world politically and economically.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): Are you talking population control?
ROSS: Population control will be part of it. The elite have for years wanted to gain possession of the tremendous wealth of the natural resources in Africa. Now, for some reason, they have not been able to overcome the tribes of Africa and dominate them. They’re independent. If you can’t gain control of the people, you can create diseases — Eboli, AIDS, HIV — and take it to Africa, and depopulate them with disease. On the side you can take two hoodlums and give them a little money in their back pocket, and they will revolt against the government and cause a rebellion and millions of people have been killed through rebellions. If you look behind the curtain, you’ll see the CIA, and if you look behind the curtain behind the CIA, you’ll find the elite. They are going to do the same thing here. If you open up the borders, and let all the very poor people from Latin America come into this country legally by walking across the border, that means more and more people looking for fewer and fewer jobs. Our quality of life is going to be reduced. Their quality of life will come up, and ours will go way down. The end result is that we won’t worry about what the government says. Let’s worry about where we’re going to eat.
ICONOCLAST (ND): Talking about European Unions and African Unions, American Unions, do you see that Iraq is the first stage to a Middle Eastern Union?
ROSS: President George W. Bush has already stated that sometime in the near future we need to create a Middle East Union. Now I don’t know if that was a slip of the tongue or not. He really needs to go by the script or he wouldn’t have made that statement. But right after the American Union, there will be a Pacific Union made up of all those Pacific Rim nations. They started that in 1998, when they created the Asian-Pacific Economic Community made up of all nations in the Pacific Rim. Somewhere around 2010 they will create the Asian Union. Also around the same time the former nations of the Soviet Union will be reconstituted under a new union. Maybe the Russian Union. It won’t be called the “Soviet Union” because of the negative image. In the end there will be 10 unions, all reporting to the central government called the “Global Union.” If David Rockefeller is still alive at that time, he will be the czar of the Global Union. If he’s not, there will be someone else prepared to take his place. The Rothschilds always remain behind the curtain. They will never step out to the podium. They will always stay behind the curtain.
ICONOCLAST (ND): How does the U.N. fit into this equation?
ROSS: The U.N. is only one of the many tools of the elite. The Federal Reserve is a tool. The Central Banks are a tool. The CIA is a tool. Every director without exception of the CIA has been a member on the Council on Foreign Relations. Law of chance will not permit that. It tells me that every intelligence organization in every nation of the world works for ultimately the Rothschilds. They control all the intelligence. They tweak all the knobs.
ICONOCLAST (WLS): In conclusion, if the world is truly headed in the direction you project, how can the tides be changed?
ROSS: To my knowledge, no one has any organized effort to try to stop this. There are probably 100 people in the world who are very aware of this movement, and they’re trying to expose it, but they have no ability to stop it, other than making people aware of it. In actuality, if five percent of the people in the United States knew this was going on, it would come to a halt real quick. There would be a march on Washington of millions of people, saying stop it. That’s the only way it would stop.